Overclocking and Thermal Performance

The game tests are a little disappointing. However, water-cooling isn't just about out of the box performance. It's about massively increasing the overhead for heat dissipation which usually results in bigger headroom for overclocking and much cooler running hardware too.

We used EVGA's Precision overclocking tool to see how much further we could push the clock speeds on the MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC. In particular we wanted to boost the stream processors which MSI had left at the GTX 285's stock speed of 1,476MHz. We were also interesting in seeing how the MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC fared against other GTX 285's in the overclocking stakes and how worthwhile spending what amounts to a significant hike in cash over an aircooled GTX 285 to water-cool it.

We managed to ramp up the core to 750MHz from 702MHz, the stream processors from 1,476MHz to 1,700MHz and the memory from 1,300MHz to massive 1,450MHz:equivalent to a riprawing 2.9GHz effective speed.

The BFG Tech GeForce GTX 285 OCX 1GB we looked at back in January managed 730MHz and 1,698MHz respectively on the core and stream processors but could only manage a 2.795GHz effective memory speed. The BFG Tech GeForce GTX 285 H2O on the other hand that we had a play with in March, reached a massive 783MHz core, 1,844MHz on the stream processors but only managed an effective memory speed of 2.816GHz. In this light, we were a little disappointed with the stream processors speed on the HydroGen, which we couldn't seem to budge above 1,700MHz without Crysis freezing even if we lowered the core and memory speeds.

Crysis - Overclocking

1,680 x 1,050 4xAA 16xAF, DirectX 10, High Quality

  • MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC (overclocked)
  • MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC (stock)
    • 50.7
    • 36.0
    • 42.1
    • 26.0
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  • Minimum

Crysis - Overclocking

1,920 x 1,200 2xAA 16xAF, DirectX 10, High Quality

  • MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC (overclocked)
  • MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC (stock)
    • 42.7
    • 27.0
    • 36.6
    • 22.0
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  • Average
  • Minimum

The boost in Crysis from these massive hikes in clock speed was profound, no doubt due to the 244MHz increase in stream processor frequency. At 1,680 x 1,050 4xAA 16xAF the minimum frame rate jumped 10fps from a borderline playable minimum frame rate of 26fps to a silky smooth 36fps.

At 1,920 x 1,200 2xAA 16xAF, the effect wasn't quite as significant but the minimum frame rate went from a stutter ridden 22fps to a much more respectable 27fps. Either way, this kind of increase can't help but leave a smile on your face and what's more the MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC was silent and never went above a delta T of 19°C.

Thermal Performance

We were expecting big things from the MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC in terms of temperatures and while we've mentioned a few examples, what's really needed is a direct comparison with an aircooled GTX 285. For this we used a BFG Tech GeForce GTX 285 OCX 1GB which is pre-overclocked to similar levels.

Heat (idle)

Windows Vista Desktop (Aero Enabled)

  • MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC
  • BFG Tech GeForce GTX 285 OCX 1GB (Aircooled)
    • 15.0
    • 20.0
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delta T (°C) (lower is better)
  • GPU0

Heat (load)

Crysis DX10 at 1,920 x 1,200 0xAA 16xAF, Peak Temperature

  • MSI GTX 285 HydroGen OC
  • BFG Tech GeForce GTX 285 OCX 1GB (Aircooled)
    • 19.0
    • 56.0
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delta T (°C) (lower is better)
  • GPU0

There is no contest really, especially under load. Here the delta T is a gargantuan 37°C which is a testament to the Heatkiller water block and water-cooling in general. We really were impressed with just how capable the block is at keeping this overclocked GTX 285 in check and also while producing next to no noise. Clearly the GTX 285 is yet another graphics card that is crying out for a bit of H20.
Discuss this in the forums

Posted by [USRF]Obiwan - Thu Jul 09 2009 11:31

What i see:

All of the Game benches are won by the ATI HD4870 X2 2GB
The only Application bench (folding at home) is won by Nvidia cards
And in the power consumption part the ATI HD4870 X2 2GB is left out of it. (probably because it has higher power usage then anything else)

IMHO you should have left out the ATI Dualcore card completely, now people will get the wrong idea. Without it Nvidia wins.
Infact you should have left out all the ATI card and other Nvidia cards and only compare the Non watercooled GTX285 to the MSI watercooled GTX285.

Posted by Baz - Thu Jul 09 2009 11:47

[USRF
Obiwan]What i see:

All of the Game benches are won by the ATI HD4870 X2 2GB
The only Application bench (folding at home) is won by Nvidia cards
And in the power consumption part the ATI HD4870 X2 2GB is left out of it. (probably because it has higher power usage then anything else)

IMHO you should have left out the ATI Dualcore card completely, now people will get the wrong idea. Without it Nvidia wins.
Infact you should have left out all the ATI card and other Nvidia cards and only compare the Non watercooled GTX285 to the MSI watercooled GTX285.
If we didn't include the HD 4870X2, it would make for an extremely misleading article. It's in there to demonstrate that for less cash, you can get a significant amount more performance. An HD 4870X2 can be had for less than £250 - thats less than the watercooler GTX 285. Of course, the watercooled card will be quieter and cooler, but if all you want is performance, a reader needs to know what else is out there - that;s why we have all these fancy graph engines and stuff, so show you what else is available!

Posted by perplekks45 - Thu Jul 09 2009 12:04

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something that was a good idea when water-cooling the GTX 280 as the RAM can get pretty darn hot when left to its own devices.
Shouldn't that be 285 instead of 280?

Other than that it's nice to see the comparison to other nVidia cards and the 4870X2. It just helps to keep in mind where to rank this one.

Another nice article. Well done. :thumb:

Posted by Matticus - Thu Jul 09 2009 12:11

[USRF]Obiwan;2035332
What i see:

All of the Game benches are won by the ATI HD4870 X2 2GB
The only Application bench (folding at home) is won by Nvidia cards
And in the power consumption part the ATI HD4870 X2 2GB is left out of it. (probably because it has higher power usage then anything else)

IMHO you should have left out the ATI Dualcore card completely, now people will get the wrong idea. Without it Nvidia wins.
Infact you should have left out all the ATI card and other Nvidia cards and only compare the Non watercooled GTX285 to the MSI watercooled GTX285.
What?
Why would you possibly want to leave out a card that is cheaper and better? I thought reviews were about comparisons.

One thing I would say about watercooling the ati would be the warranty. I know some vendors support changing the cooler as long as you don't cause any damage doing it, but I am sure this was usually nvidia vendors. So while it may be cheaper, if something goes wrong and they cotton on to your watercooling you may end up spending a LOT more.
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